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Senovit
10-23-2007, 06:12 PM
So I had a bit of time to kill, and these are a few of the builds I've thought of / ripped off from other people. This is with entirely shop bought weapons, and was done using [url=http://kepner.freeweb7.com/PW/StatsBuilderAlphaV2.4.html:2eb42]this simulator[/url:2eb42], so results aren't guaranteed to be right. All of these were done using the werefox level 105 option. I'll start off with the standards:

Pure int, Min Str:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/Senovit/Games/PureInt.jpg
This was done with a min str for the best storebought weapon, the level 99 wheel. 54 str and the rest int.
Equipment was the best magic armor possible, with the exception of the hat which used a 50 str req hp helm. Accessories were all defence equipment, so stats can be modified by subtracting 438 physical defence and adding 438 points to magic defence, or subtracting 438 physical defence and adding 280 evasion. The poor defence and hp make this fox a rather easy target, but it'll level fastest with the help of a pet to tank.

Min Str, Min int, Rest con (Hybrid):
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/Senovit/Games/IntCon.jpg
This was done with 54 str, 297 int, and rest con. About double the hp of the pure int build, while losing about 300 magic attack points.
Equipment was the best magic armor possible, with the exception of the hat which used a 50 str req hp helm. Accessories were all defence equipment, so stats can be modified by subtracting 438 physical defence and adding 438 points to magic defence, or subtracting 438 physical defence and adding 280 evasion.

Light Mail build:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/Senovit/Games/LightMail.jpg
This was done with 100 str, 100 dex, min int to hold the wheel(297), and the rest into con.
Equipment was the best light mail possible, with enough int to still hold the best store-bought magic weapon in the game. While it does lose 1600 hp in comparison to the hybrid int/con build, it also gains 1200 defence while not sacrificing any magic attack. A worthwhile trade off in my opinion.
Equipment was the best light armor possible, again with the best hp helm used instead of a mage helm. Physical defence accessories were used, so subtracting 438 physical defence and adding 438 magic defence or 280 evasion is an option.

Light Mail build v2:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/Senovit/Games/LightMail2.jpg
This was done with 100 str, min int to hold the wheel (297), and the rest into dex. The idea here was to take advantage of evasion. Evasion jumps by about 300 points, but hp suffers by 500. Is it worth the price? I'm still unsure about just how much someone with 800 evasion can dodge as opposed to someone with 1300, but I'll leave it up to you to decide if it's worth the 400 hp / 400 defence tradeoff.
Equipment was the exact same as light mail v1, but this time evasion accessories were used instead. Subtracting 280 evasion and adding 438 physical or magical defence is an option, and might be a better course of action. Using physical defence accessories would equalize the defence with the light mail v1 build, but still retain around 1100 evasion, then all you need to worry about is the drop in hp for the gain in evasion.

Heavy Mail build:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/Senovit/Games/Heavymail.jpg
This was done with 242 str, 96 int, 52 dex, and 150 con. 242 str and 52 dex being the min stats for heavy mail armor, 96 int for the min requirements of a moderate staff, and 150 con for the hp boost. This has a monstrous 4065 defence, along with 4500 hp. However, it has a very weak attack, on both the physical and the magical fronts.
When making this I assumed the player would be using fox form to melee attack, so physical attack rings were used. Alternatively, 2 magic attack rings could be used for 154 more magic and 154 less physical. Adding evasion would probably be completely useless. In short, this build is the werefox's tank. People will attack and assume you will die in a few easy hits, but you'll be able to survive for an unexpectedly long time. I could see this build of werefox acting as a decoy in pk parties, but unfortunately it won't be able to do very much on its own. Pets would have to be heavily relied upon for damage.

Heavy Mail build v2:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/Senovit/Games/HeavyMail2.jpg
This was done with 242 str, 237 int, and 52 dex, with 4 points left over. Here I just stuck them into con, but it doesn't really matter where they go. Add them to str for a few more points of damage, or con for a few more points of hp.
I like this build better than v1. Although it sacrifices about half of it's predecessor's hp, it keeps its relatively huge defence which when combined with bramble array's 75% damage reduction could keep you alive indefinitely. Its magical and physical attacks are also much better. Here physical attack accessories were used since I assumed these players would be fox form the majority of the time, but subtract 154 phys attack and add 154 more magic and it remains only a few hundred magic attack points behind the light mail build. Physical defence accessories were also used, so they could easily be replaced with magic defence accessories for an extra 438 magic defence. I wouldn't recommend using evasion accessories with this build.

Of course there are many more hybrids you can make between any two of these, such as sacrificing str for more int in order to use the best weapon along with whatever heavy mail is available with your stats.

Other notes: I don't really see any use for the fox form. It has a horrendously low attack no matter what assuming a magic weapon has to be used, and even removing high attack from account it has a horribly low hit rate as well. Are the fox skills really worth trying to become a melee attacker?

Krescen
10-23-2007, 06:30 PM
The Fox Form skill itself adds to Battle stats such as accuracy and physical damage (other passive skill). If you inspect the magic weapon's physical attack power, they actually closely compare to other non-magic values. Fox Debuffs and Life Leech skills would be godly in the right situations, but such skills seem highly targeted towards pvp. In fact, a Tamer who is skilled as a Fox is the only Tamer who can really do much while in PVP of any sort. Tamer form is strictly for PVE.

Further discussions regarding this will occur later in IRC, I don't want to post a trick I discovered reviewing this.

Senovit
10-23-2007, 06:37 PM
Yeah, at the moment I'm trying to decide whether to play pure int for the pvm or go with heavy mail v2 for pvp. Even if I were to play heavy mail, I'm still unsure whether to be magic or physical @.@

I'll be on irc. Would love to hear the trick you discovered.

Solstice
10-23-2007, 11:29 PM
hehehe my simulator is being very useful..
Nice job on this. It is very informative.

Krescen
10-24-2007, 12:19 AM
Soul doesn't know the half of it. You should have heard the review we had on it, and our final conclusion. We found the ultimate build, and both agree on it completely. Works for PVE and PVP.

Solstice
10-24-2007, 12:21 AM
What is the ultimate build? Please tell me.

Krescen
10-24-2007, 01:06 AM
>.> Apparently you aren't on IRC. So I guess we will have to wait.

idane24
10-24-2007, 03:25 AM
when it comes to level cap, your stats wont matter to anyone since all of you would have the same amount of stat points yet may have distributed differently... the battle would be in your gear and skill level..

a fox mage hybrid wouldnt last a battle with a pure mage or a pure fox ..

pure fox vs pure mage?

the fox can't dodge the mage's attack.. yet the mage would be in a constant stun lock, life and mana leak.. the battle is then taken to the pets..

Tamers are one of the most crucial in PVP.. as in 80 vs 80 pvp.. they are the most trusted in backrow nuking becuase they are the only ones who can support tanks (via thorns and transference).. they gain vigor much faster than anyone else.. more people die from my poison swarm than my tank's armageddon,

Senovit
10-24-2007, 06:45 AM
The build Krescen thought up is sexy, and I will most likely be using it. Pure fox would probably kill a pure mage, if only because in 1v1 a holy fox would be able to remove any status effects the mage throws at it, as well as increase its own speed so that the mage couldn't kite effectively. Plus, while both have low resistance towards each other's attacks, the mage would have less hp =x.

Not to say the pure fox is automatically better, just saying it'd probably win in a one on one.

Also, stat points do matter... distribution plays a heavier part than you might think. Sure, one or two points might not affect anything, but your style of play is heavily dependent on how you distribute. Gear plays a part, but to get optimum gear requires careful stat adjustment.

idane24
10-24-2007, 01:22 PM
a fox either holy or evil cannot cast harmony, vigor nor sustenance while in fox form.. sure the mage has lower hp but if timed correctly, he will be three times his own hp.. and sure the fox can switch to humanoid form to cast regen spells.. but he will be susceptable to all the mages attacks not mentioning, the metamorphosis cooldown he suffers..

but anyway there wont be any instance aside from duels in which you'd encounter 1 vs 1.. nothing is quite fair in the perfect world..

Senovit
10-24-2007, 02:15 PM
Not quite sure which skills you're referring to with harmony, vigor or sustenance... but the only one I was referring to was wind walk. >_>

Krescen
10-24-2007, 05:19 PM
He was referring to the healing skills. A fox could just use the HP/MP Leech skills. >.>

Senovit
10-24-2007, 05:20 PM
Oh ok, I haven't actually played fox so I don't know the slang for the skills quite yet >_>'

runningsjr
02-11-2008, 03:54 AM
Heavy Mail build v2:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/Senovit/Games/HeavyMail2.jpg
This was done with 242 str, 237 int, and 52 dex, with 4 points left over. Here I just stuck them into con, but it doesn't really matter where they go. Add them to str for a few more points of damage, or con for a few more points of hp.
I like this build better than v1. Although it sacrifices about half of it's predecessor's hp, it keeps its relatively huge defence which when combined with bramble array's 75% damage reduction could keep you alive indefinitely. Its magical and physical attacks are also much better. Here physical attack accessories were used since I assumed these players would be fox form the majority of the time, but subtract 154 phys attack and add 154 more magic and it remains only a few hundred magic attack points behind the light mail build. Physical defence accessories were also used, so they could easily be replaced with magic defence accessories for an extra 438 magic defence. I wouldn't recommend using evasion accessories with this build.

Of course there are many more hybrids you can make between any two of these, such as sacrificing str for more int in order to use the best weapon along with whatever heavy mail is available with your stats.

Other notes: I don't really see any use for the fox form. It has a horrendously low attack no matter what assuming a magic weapon has to be used, and even removing high attack from account it has a horribly low hit rate as well. Are the fox skills really worth trying to become a melee attacker?
one of my friend says that it makes no sense i use this build cuz its kinda hybridish and it makes no sense but i kinda like it so am gonna use it as in flyff i used a different knight build i was a tanker but not a full tanker cuz my attack took off more so i could kill giants quick with my knight than other knights

hotheadedjonny
02-11-2008, 06:40 AM
one of my friend says that it makes no sense i use this build cuz its kinda hybridish and it makes no sense but i kinda like it so am gonna use it as in flyff i used a different knight build i was a tanker but not a full tanker cuz my attack took off more so i could kill giants quick with my knight than other knights
use what you want. and if it doesn't work, try something else.

doodler222
03-07-2008, 05:39 PM
I messed up my skills.. will we ever be able to reset them? I am level 38 WF and pulled in the Fox 'and' the Mage skills.

I also stated myself to wear the mid-range armor.

Now I started a new WF to be a fox - and wearing heavy armor, and she kills MUCH faster then I remember my older WF killing (more STR for the armor).

So Question - what is a half way decent build, for 'both'? A fox wf and a mage wf? I do not like being a glass cannon, and I throw alot of crits because of my higher levels agi.

I thought of using cash shop to reset her (the higher level) to an INT Mage, but what about all of my fox skills?

Do we ever get to reset our actual skills (reborn)??

I have one of each character type and have to admit, the WF is nice since I carry my companions with me (2 air battle, 2 ground battle, 2 water battle).

Thank you ~

Deb..

BlackTide
03-07-2008, 08:24 PM
im using the same build i used for my priest pure int with a bit of str. and a con every now and then just for a little bit of hp

Krescen
03-12-2008, 04:17 PM
Skills can never be changed. You just get more skill points and start investing in the skills you did not get.

Senovit
03-17-2008, 06:40 AM
one of my friend says that it makes no sense i use this build cuz its kinda hybridish and it makes no sense but i kinda like it so am gonna use it as in flyff i used a different knight build i was a tanker but not a full tanker cuz my attack took off more so i could kill giants quick with my knight than other knights

Gotta keep in mind that I wrote this before even ever playing the game. They were just my thoughts on builds, etc. etc. Heavy mail build is viable, and will work if you put some effort into it <_<

Anyway, I think I'll be shifting my own WF to light armor, with some sexy int weapon of course.

runningsjr
03-19-2008, 01:51 AM
mine is full int with a lil str i saw a wf today wearing heavy suit and i was wondering y the hell did he do that it doesnt make n e sense a wf goes str

Kardaron
03-19-2008, 02:36 AM
a melee WF with a pet tank? :o

Roli3sha
04-05-2008, 12:47 AM
My werefox is Pur int and little strength. A friend of mine told me to use that build.

agony
04-05-2008, 03:34 AM
there are plenty of people using meele build. not as many as pure int but there are. It has its pros as the meele skills are actually really good.

The best is of course going dual build. But that's really hard to achieve and I heard that there's only 1 person who hit lvl 89 and above with that build on oracle.

Most people go int+con/pure int and they would restat to heavy or light build at 8x/9x.

I'm actually quite stunned you have never heard of it before.

Kardaron
04-05-2008, 04:28 AM
ive heard of it, i just thought it wasn't as good as full int.

Nafon
04-05-2008, 05:17 AM
Yeah melee WF, i'm planning to try that soon.

agony
04-05-2008, 08:17 AM
Not many people can afford to go meele. Restat scroll = expensive.

Kardaron
04-05-2008, 09:10 PM
im just gonna use my full int WF to farm some money for my soon to be pvp-god archer.