How am I doing?

[TsukikoAmano]

I've been playing PWI for a little over a month now and I haven't really followed any guides as to how to distribute my stat points, so I wanted to share my build and want some feedback as to whether it's good or not. This is how I'm standing all geared up: STR 208, VIT 80, DEX 70.

I'm a spear warrior and I've been mainly pumping up my STR for damage, but as I read some of the guides in this forum, I get the impression that I should also be adding more into DEX. Any advice greatly appreciated!

P.S. Why is it better to socket your gear with +max hp gems than +physical def?

[erinesurance]

quick answer cause i gotta leave for classes so ill just answer your soulstone question =P

HP soulstones are used most often cause theyre the most versatile. phys defence doesnt really do much when it comes to fighting against casters. oh and actually your build doesnt look too bad... your dex isnt so great when it comes to PVP but there are equips that you can buy to fix that

[Senovit]

For most armor classes, phys def soulstones aren't worth it. Defenses work on a scaling ratio, so the more defense you have, the less effect additional defense will have on it. So for instance, if you have 500 p.def and you add 50 through soulstones, that might change your phys damage reduction from 40% to 45%. However, if you have 5000 defense and add 50 through soulstones, your phys damage reduction might only change from 60% to 62%. The 2% physical reduction in damage won't stack up to the amount of hp you could have gotten instead as long as the hp is more than 2% of your total hp, and like kaz said hp can also help you live against magic attacks instead of only physical.

And uh.. I have no idea about your build. Never played a warrior, but it looks about right to me. What level are you?

[Farewell]

how do u see the phy def %? n btw then y i see some EA,EP using fiery red(i jus wan 2 confirm) :)

[TsukikoAmano]

I'm level 64 right now. How much DEX should I have to be a decent pvp'er or rather what gear are you talking about Kaz? I noticed that I'm not hitting archers very well. Can warriors beat archers normally?

Oh, and happy Halloween everyone :)

[Hell Ice]

The goals for warriors to beat archers is their stun skills. when fighting archers, try as hard as you can to stun him all the time. I know archers have stun evade skills, but it consumes a fury each time he use it, and it only lasts 6 seconds. warriors can recover hp, so the goal is to keep close to archers as close as possible.

Try and lure archers to fight on land. it would be great advantage to warriors as they have fast moving skills to get to archers very quickly and have them stunned.

PS: The best PK warrior build in this game in the end is the fist type. believe it or not? Thats up to you.

[Senovit]

how do u see the phy def %? n btw then y i see some EA,EP using fiery red(i jus wan 2 confirm) :)

Hover your mouse over your p.def, and it'll show you the % damage reduction. Any EA using fiery red is either low level or inexperienced. EP's use them because they're in robes, so it can actually make a significant difference.

@Tsuki:
I think your dex is good enough for your level actually. If you're having trouble hitting things, you can always consider adding accuracy stones to your weapon or getting the lingyun +50% accuracy ring from fb79. Keep in mind that a werebeast/axe wr will have about half the dex you do, so if they can fight well against an archer, so can you =o

[aaerdan]

Tsuki, bear in mind, every extra hit point you have counts as four in PvP, so HP boosts are the best overall in terms of soulstone usage. That said, if you can afford it, using mirage stones (or whatever it's called in PW Int) to add the + to armour (not jewellery) will add more HP per + than each grade of HP soulstone.

[TsukikoAmano]

What do you guys suggest I do about the archer's lightning skills? I think those are the main killer for me. Do all warriors in late game switch to light gear? And is it just me or do warriors totally suck at PvP in mid-air?

[aaerdan]

What do you guys suggest I do about the archer's lightning skills? I think those are the main killer for me. Do all warriors in late game switch to light gear? And is it just me or do warriors totally suck at PvP in mid-air?

Okay, I'm not very good in PvP, but:

1 - in duels or PK situations, a fist warrior should have no problem with other melee fighters (warriors and werebeasts, and archers who think they can best a fist warrior using same-level gloves/claws :D)

2 - in duels, ranged attackers can be countered by using the sprint (boost movement speed) and leap/soar skills (the ones that allow you to leap/soar forward) AND/OR using the three-second countdown before the duel starts to close the gap between you and the ranged attacker. In the not-so-many duels I've had with such, archers are the toughest, because their impressive dodge actually means my warrior misses them half the time. Exception: werefoxes. Specifically, one particular werefox player = Senovit :D

3 - in PK situations involving ranged attackers, you need to be able to survive the first (or second) hit. Having a hiero (or HP charm, in PWI) helps. This is assuming you were not ambushed. In an ambush, a warrior is hard-pressed to survive vs ranged attackers. A same-level mage can kill a warrior in heavy armour with one or two shots. If it's not an ambush, you can use the sutra that sacrifices pdef to boost mdef ... if the ranged attacker uses something that deals physical damage, your Auric Shield Defence boost and higher HP should still allow you to survive the first one or two hits before you close the distance gap.

My personal experience with (1) has been mostly favourable, and (2) generally favourable. In the case of (3), ranged attackers either win or it ends with a draw with me running away (:D). In arena bouts with Senovit's werefox, the werefox's superiority over the warrior is unbelievable.

In my first PvP experience with a werefox, in the air, the range and pet advantage was too great.

In my second PvP experience, when I was level 8x, the random PKing werefox was defeated somewhat easily because the combination of pet and skill vs me didn't work (my dodge was high enough by now, so the pet simply didn't hit) while the WF relied too much of raw power instead of tactics (like dropping to thr ground once it became clear that raw power would not work).

About light armour ... not really sure about other warriors, but personally I think it's pointless for non-fist warriors to change from heavy to light armour.

I mean, even with light armour you will still have a hard time dealing with ranged attackers, AND you will have a hard time dealing with werebeasts who will now deal far more damage than when you wore heavy armour.

With fist warriors, the higher mdef helps against ranged attackers (still not easy), and the higher dodge helps against melee attackers.

With non-fist warriors, with light armour, you will be able to handle ranged attackers more easily, but it's still tough. And against melee attackers, you will feel the pain when you get hit (same with fist warriors, but they are not getting hit as often). Unless you are an axe warrior and have mastered stunlocking, which means you can prevent melee attackers from doing anything.

[TsukikoAmano]

I read somewhere that spear warriors are pretty good PvPers late game, but I'm not really getting that impression with the given skill set that they have (I just like 'em cause I love spears). Because of that, I've actually been leveling the defensive skills more so than the offensive ones. What order of the spear skills should I prioritize in leveling?

[Senovit]

Spear skills are basically prized in one on one situations, because you have several ranged skills at your disposal (backthrust!) which you can use to either a) kite other melee attackers or b) kill robes with 2-3 hits while giving chase. A spear warrior is basically an archer without any elementals, shorter range, and much higher survivability.

Don't forget to abuse your stuns like Hell Ice said, a maxed Lion's roar that forces the opponent to sit there for 8 seconds is hellish. For spear skills, I'd suggest leveling backthrust as your priority, followed by lion's roar, your sutras, your spear mastery, auric barrier, dragon emerge, cloud sprint and finally your spear 59 skill.

Since you play PWI these names are different, but backthrust is the level 39 ranged skill in the spear tree, lion's roar is the aoe stun that is outside the weapon trees, sutras would be your change p.def -> m.def and vice versa, along with the one healing spell you have, auric barrier is the warrior defense buff, dragon emerge is your level 6 medium range attack that you use while backthrust is on cooldown, and cloud sprint is your speed up move.

[TsukikoAmano]

Not sure if this is new but while I was fooling around last night, I discovered that if you use Tiger Leap to jump at a mob that uses magic on it's first attack... it won't! :rolleyes: The only downside is that there is a bit of a delay on the character to respond to your attack command but I'm trying to find a way around that.

Also got another question, do you guys use Macro much? It seems kinda screwy in that not all of the skill I've chained up will successfully execute themselves.

Thanks again for your advices everyone :-D

[Farewell]

it seems tat because u leap foward tat fast in front of the mob it don noe whether u lauch its mg atk or phys atk tats y its mg atk will stop. (well tis is wat i think, i might b wrong but grats for finding out such nice thing)

another thing i don usually use macro(or should i say i nvr use macro). it is because u will nvr noe wat will happen next so i believe in spamming the buttons instead of macro depending on situation.

[Farewell]

sry for the wrong phrase "it don noe whether should it launch" <---tis is the correct one

[Swore]

Not sure if this is new but while I was fooling around last night, I discovered that if you use Tiger Leap to jump at a mob that uses magic on it's first attack... it won't! :rolleyes: The only downside is that there is a bit of a delay on the character to respond to your attack command but I'm trying to find a way around that.

Also got another question, do you guys use Macro much? It seems kinda screwy in that not all of the skill I've chained up will successfully execute themselves.

Thanks again for your advices everyone :-D

I'm a WR so I understand, it is becos the distance between u and the mob shrink alot so it will respond by attking u wif phy attk. ;)

[aaerdan]

Not sure if this is new but while I was fooling around last night, I discovered that if you use Tiger Leap to jump at a mob that uses magic on it's first attack... it won't! :rolleyes: The only downside is that there is a bit of a delay on the character to respond to your attack command but I'm trying to find a way around that.

Also got another question, do you guys use Macro much? It seems kinda screwy in that not all of the skill I've chained up will successfully execute themselves.

Thanks again for your advices everyone :-D

As with other skills, if you can time pressing the hotkey when the skill action bar is still present, you can cut short the time interval between the two skills.

Meaning, dash toward the the target, press the hotkey for Tiger Leap, and (if present), press the second hotkey (maybe set to physical attack?) while the skill action bar is still present.

Note: I've always relied on the fist warrior's Shadowless Kick, so never did consider using Tiger's Leap to enter the melee zone to avoid triggering the monster's ranged attack.

[TsukikoAmano]

I'm a WR so I understand, it is becos the distance between u and the mob shrink alot so it will respond by attking u wif phy attk. ;)
Now you're just making it sound like Mage's skill Distance Shrink; and yes I know they are pretty much the same thing D:

[TsukikoAmano]

Another question: they say that warriors are the next best tankers after werebeast but aside from the fact that they have the +%HP buff and their take aggression moves, what makes them the better tanker?

When I was around 65, I wasn't able to last very long against even the first fb59 boss; my HP constantly dropped despite having two clerics healing me. But when a same level werebeast came to help, his HP barely dropped below a 3/5. I suspect that using muscle/marrow sutras is what is getting me killed in most boss fights as I have both maxed out and so taking a hit of the other is extremely deadly. Would it be a good idea to not use them at all? And what can I do to improve my tanking capabilities as a warrior? I don't have many werebeast friends so I want to rely on myself to tank bosses in most circumstances.

[Hell Ice]

Another question: they say that warriors are the next best tankers after werebeast but aside from the fact that they have the +%HP buff and their take aggression moves, what makes them the better tanker?

When I was around 65, I wasn't able to last very long against even the first fb59 boss; my HP constantly dropped despite having two clerics healing me. But when a same level werebeast came to help, his HP barely dropped below a 3/5. I suspect that using muscle/marrow sutras is what is getting me killed in most boss fights as I have both maxed out and so taking a hit of the other is extremely deadly. Would it be a good idea to not use them at all? And what can I do to improve my tanking capabilities as a warrior? I don't have many werebeast friends so I want to rely on myself to tank bosses in most circumstances.

nope. the fact that beast tank better is not just the hp buff and aggro skill. You notice that beast seldom tank in human form? Instead they tank in tiger form. When they changed form, they got more HP in their pocket.

[Senovit]

Ehhh.. beast form is mostly just for the aggro skill. They'd never be able to hold it in human form, as the aggro skill is usable only in beast. The extra hp is just a nice plus :>

[Macanfly]

don't forget the skill "shapeshift intensify"
at max level it gives +60% pdef when transformed
and also in beast form you have pounce, which an experienced wb can time to cancel most magic attacks (which both you and the wb would be weak to)

[TsukikoAmano]

and also in beast form you have pounce, which an experienced wb can time to cancel most magic attacks (which both you and the wb would be weak to)
Ah... curses... why don't spear warriors get a skill like that XD

What would you say my chances are at being able to tank the HH60 pt mode bosses at level 70? I only have 3.6k HP :confused:

[Macanfly]

you'll need more hp
or an ep using the skill we refer to as "blue ball"
(i'm not sure what it's called in my en or int, but they get it with their 59 cultivation level, heals and reduces damage from attacks)

you could probably tank the first boss with a good cleric (or multiple clerics)
the second of the hh1-1 bosses ("drum's god-liu" in my en) has a very powerful magic attack that can do more damage than than your total hp if it hits you outside of blue ball (4500 is the highest it has ever hit me)

[Swore]

Ah... curses... why don't spear warriors get a skill like that XD

What would you say my chances are at being able to tank the HH60 pt mode bosses at level 70? I only have 3.6k HP :confused:

U don pump con?!?! :o

[TsukikoAmano]

Nope, I've only been pumping STR. How much HP should I have at my level?

[Hell Ice]

I am not sure about your current level, but here is a picture for reference:

One of the TOP Spear Warrior in MY-CN:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e100/qwewheng/1223ai4ip7.jpg

[TsukikoAmano]

I am not sure about your current level, but here is a picture for reference:

One of the TOP Spear Warrior in MY-CN:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e100/qwewheng/1223ai4ip7.jpg
Could you use ImageShack to upload images? Photobucket images won't load for me :(

[Hell Ice]

http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1223ai4.png

[Swore]

Nope, I've only been pumping STR. How much HP should I have at my level?

U should have about 4.6k hp when lvl70, since u r a Spear WR. :ugeek:

[TsukikoAmano]

Right now I have 4k at 74. Why do we need that much HP anyway if we can't tank bosses? I see that as a waste.

[aaerdan]

I'm lvl89 and I have only a little more hp than you (okay, about 20% more ... thereabouts) . :D